Supermodel Paulina Porizkova has been in the public eye all her life. But it has been a rollercoaster of soaring successes and deep heartache. Grief and pain comes to us all, and in those moments, we need our shared humanity (and not our super-anythingness) to build a bridge back to others.

In this tender conversation, Kate and Paulina discuss:

How to show up to friends in unsolvable pain
Why “what doesn’t kill you will make you stronger” is just plain wrong
Why the assumptions we make about one another are untrue

CW: Spicy language

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Paulina Porizkova: Complicated Grief and Complicated Love