Ukrainecast What’s next after the Trump-Putin call?
May 20, 2025
Robert Fox, Defence editor at the Evening Standard, and Steve Rosenberg, BBC's Russia editor, delve into the aftermath of the Trump-Putin phone call. They discuss contrasting narratives on ceasefire negotiations, with the U.S. expressing hope while Russia remains skeptical. Rosenberg shares insights on the Russian media's take, suggesting a strategic win for Moscow. Meanwhile, Fox warns that the West must brace for a prolonged conflict, as geopolitical tensions rise and Europe prepares further sanctions against Russia.
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Vague Outcomes of Trump-Putin Call
- The Trump-Putin call resulted in talk about future possible ceasefire negotiations, but no immediate ceasefire or summit meeting occurred.
- The Kremlin emphasizes no timeline for these talks, suggesting Russia aims to buy time to continue the war.
Long-Term Conflict with Russia Expected
- Putin maintains a war posture to keep power and dreams alive, preparing for a prolonged confrontation.
- Western Europe acknowledges the conflict will be long, requiring continued defense efforts despite human costs.
Trump's View on Peace Prospects
- Trump believes Putin wants to stop the war and that peace talks could succeed, though he keeps red lines private.
- Trump dislikes war and confrontation, suggesting any de-escalation depends on mutual willingness to stop fighting.