Jocko Podcast 385: The Code of Combat: Moral, Ethical, and Legal Leadership and Conduct in War.
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May 10, 2023 
Leif Babin, a retired Navy SEAL and co-author of several leadership books, discusses the complex moral and ethical challenges inherent in warfare. Highlighting the importance of responsible conduct, he delves into the rigorous training military personnel undergo to make tough decisions. Babin shares personal experiences about the balance between operational necessity and humanitarian considerations. The conversation also touches on the psychological motivations of elite soldiers and the significance of ethical leadership in ensuring accountability and integrity in combat situations.
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Public Perception vs. Reality of War
- The public often misperceives military leadership and ethics due to media portrayals.
- These portrayals present an incomplete and often inaccurate view of the reality of war.
Learning from Past Mistakes
- Jocko and Leif discussed the My Lai Massacre and the Haditha Dam massacre to illustrate leadership failures.
- They emphasize the importance of ethical conduct and learning from past mistakes.
Experiences in Ramadi and ROE Context
- Jocko and Leif discuss their experiences in Ramadi to provide context for the rules of engagement.
- Leif highlights the US military's commitment to minimizing collateral damage and maintaining high moral standards.