Mindrolling with Raghu Markus

Ep. 617 – Your Brain On Art with Susan Magsamen and Ivy Ross

Oct 27, 2025
Susan Magsamen, founder of the International Arts + Mind Lab, and Ivy Ross, a designer and wellness advocate, delve into the transformative power of art on the brain. They discuss how redefining art as personal expression can rewire neural pathways through creativity. Music’s role in fostering connection and community is highlighted, along with the importance of play in the creative process. They emphasize integrating art into daily life, ritualizing creativity, and how these practices contribute to well-being and personal growth.
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INSIGHT

Art Is Broadly Defined As Mind-Changing Play

  • Brian Eno frames art broadly, including cardigans, makeup, and tattoos as acts that change the mind.
  • Susan and Ivy argue art functions as adult play that alters mental states and fosters curiosity.
ANECDOTE

Drawing Helped A Twin Recover After Trauma

  • Susan recounts her twin losing speech after trauma and expressing herself through drawing.
  • That nonverbal making helped her process fear and recover communication pathways.
ANECDOTE

A Designer Childhood Taught How To See

  • Ivy describes growing up in a designer home where her father taught her to "see" differently and she learned flow through music.
  • That early immersion led her from metalsmithing to global design leadership.
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