Luke Burgis on Why You Need to Know Mimetic Theory (Episode 28)
Mar 24, 2023
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Luke Burgis, author of 'Wanting: The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life', discusses mimetic theory and its relevance to Stoics. He explores how mimetic desire influences our wants, the impact of imitation on culture, rivalry and conflict, scapegoating, and the relationship between Stoicism and Gerard's memetic theory.
Mimetic theory explains why we desire things outside of our control, highlighting the influence of others on our desires.
Engaging in silent retreats allows for introspection and the recognition of hidden desires, leading to genuine happiness and long-lasting fulfillment.
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The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life
This podcast episode explores the theory and practice of stoicism. The guest, Luke Burgess, discusses his book on memetic desire and its relevance to stoics. Memetic theory, coined by Rene Girard, highlights the imitative nature of human desire. Luke explains how desires are often influenced by others and how this can lead to rivalry and conflict. He distinguishes between external models of desire, such as celebrities, and internal models, found in our everyday lives. Luke emphasizes the importance of recognizing and understanding our desires to navigate through mimetic tensions and pursue genuine happiness.
Silent Retreats and Reflective Practices
One effective tactic for better understanding our desires is to engage in a completely silent retreat. Disconnecting from technology and immersing oneself in silence allows for introspection and the recognition of hidden desires. Luke shares his personal experience with silent retreats and highlights their transformative power in unveiling desires that are often drowned out by noise. By creating opportunities for reflection, individuals can uncover authentic desires that contribute to long-lasting fulfillment and break free from the influence of thin desires driven by mimetic tendencies.
Distinguishing Thin Desires from Sick Desires
Luke suggests distinguishing between two types of desires: thin desires and sick desires. Thin desires are fleeting and easily discardable, often driven by mimetic influence. Sick desires, on the other hand, are more enduring and demonstrate a deeper fulfillment. Identifying sick desires requires introspection and an examination of past experiences, looking for common threads of satisfaction and fulfillment. These sick desires are often tied to personal growth, long-standing passions, and a sense of purpose. By recognizing and nurturing these sick desires, individuals can develop a stronger sense of self and align their desires with long-term fulfillment.
Stoicism and Mimetic Desire
Luke acknowledges the compatibility between stoicism and memetic desire theory. Stoicism's emphasis on understanding our judgments and focusing on virtue aligns with the recognition of mimetic tendencies in our desires. By being vigilant and reflective, stoics can avoid falling into mimetic traps and assess their judgments more objectively. Gerard provides valuable insights into how mimetic desire can influence our perceptions of the good life and encourages stoics to apply these insights to their practice. The dialogue between stoicism and memetic theory can lead to a deeper understanding of desires, judgments, and the pursuit of a virtuous life.
Mimetic theory is essential for Stoics to know because it explains why we end up wanting so many things that are outside of our control. Luke shares how mimetic theory does this and tactics for focusing on “thick” as opposed to “thin” desires.
Stoa Conversations is Caleb Ontiveros and Michael Tremblay’s podcast on Stoic theory and practice.
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Caleb Ontiveros has a background in academic philosophy (MA) and startups. His favorite Stoic is Marcus Aurelius. Follow him here: https://twitter.com/calebmontiveros
Michael Tremblay also has a background in academic philosophy (PhD) where he focused on Epictetus. He is also a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. His favorite Stoic is Epictetus. Follow him here: https://twitter.com/_MikeTremblay
Thank you to Michael Levy for graciously letting us use his music in the conversations: https://ancientlyre.com/
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