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Forward Guidance

The Bond Market Sell-Off Was Duration, Not Credit Risk | Ben Santonelli

Nov 6, 2023
55:14
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Ben Santonelli, Portfolio Manager at Polen Capital, discusses the state of the high yield bond market and where he finds the best opportunities as debt investors can generate equity type returns. Topics include default rates, investing in high quality businesses, loan demand, liquidity, credit spreads, credit performance during a recession, margin compression, and potential refinancing issues.
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Quick takeaways

  • Debt investors can now generate equity-like returns in the high yield bond market.
  • Investing in fundamentally sound businesses that generate free cash flow is crucial to managing risk in the credit market.

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The Unique Approach of Investing in Credit Risk

The portfolio manager discusses their fund's focus on credit risk and explains that they prioritize the quality of businesses and underlying fundamentals over interest rates. They mention their portfolio composition, consisting of approximately one-third loans, one-third bonds, and one-third less liquid situations. With a comprehensive bottom-up approach, they emphasize the importance of investing in fundamentally sound businesses that generate free cash flow.

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