

193: Kat van Oudheusden, Guest Explorer
Aug 15, 2025
Kat van Oudheusden, author of *Seeing No-Self* and *Beyond Illusion*, shares her transformative journey toward recognizing the illusion of separation. She discusses the playful intersection of self-help and non-duality, challenging traditional views on personal growth. The conversation dives into embracing 'no-self' for true freedom and the complexity of navigating fears in self-inquiry. Kat also explores the duality of separateness and oneness, encouraging deeper awareness of our inherent connections and the liberation that comes from letting go of rigid identities.
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Slow, Unnoticed Shift Out Of Self
- Kat describes a decade-long, gradual undoing of self during her 40s that she mostly noticed after the fact.
- She recounts losing specific identity-based problems, like issues with her mother, without deliberate effort.
No Single Timeline For Awakening
- Awakening varies widely: for some it's instantaneous, for others it's slow erosion over years.
- Kat emphasizes most people's processes differ and gradual change can be the norm.
Let Life Unfold Through You
- Stop treating life like a project that you must control; notice life unfolding through you.
- Use interest in inquiry as evidence that the process is already happening rather than a task to complete.