There is growing consensus that the way economies in the global North function exploits the environment and is fundamentally unsustainable in the long run given current development trajectories. As a result, in policy discourse and throughout the nature conservation movement, there appears to be growing acknowledgement that there is a huge amount we can learn from Indigenous stewardship of ecosystems, and that Indigenous lands have tended to be associated with some of the best outcomes for biodiversity over the last few decades. We welcome Dr Jocelyne Sze on to the show to give us a crash course on Indigenous stewardship of global ecosystems. Hosted by Sophus zu Ermgassen. Edited by Aidan Knox.