Leor Sapir, a writer and researcher at the Manhattan Institute and frequent contributor to City Journal, discusses topics such as the sudden increase in girls seeking transition, the medicalization of trans kids impacting their future orgasms, childhood experiences living on a kibbutz in Israel, serving in the IDF, the Dutch protocol for transing gender-dysphoric kids, and the shifting rhetoric surrounding gender identity.
The podcast episode highlights the different subtypes of gender dysphoria and the debate surrounding the medical intervention of children.
The podcast episode emphasizes that there is no single definition of transgender and explores the historical origins of the term.
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Understanding the Complexity of Gender Identity
The podcast episode explores the concept of gender identity and its complexities. It discusses the evolving definition of transgender and its relationship with gender dysphoria. The episode highlights the different subtypes of gender dysphoria and the debate surrounding the medical intervention of children. It delves into the origins of the concept of gender identity and its historical development. The discussion also touches on the Dutch protocol of using puberty blockers as a pause button for children with gender dysphoria.
Challenges in Defining Gender Identity
The podcast episode delves into the challenges of defining gender identity. It emphasizes that there is no single definition of transgender and that the concept itself is evolving with contradictory definitions. The episode explores the historical origins of the term and its expansion to encompass a wider range of experiences. It also discusses the different perspectives on the innate and immutable nature of gender identity. The lack of scientific evidence for a universally accepted definition of gender identity is highlighted.
Controversy Surrounding Medical Intervention
The podcast episode addresses the controversy surrounding medical intervention for gender dysphoric children. It highlights the shift from a watchful waiting approach to affirming a child's gender identity. The debate centers on the diagnostic process and the reliance on puberty blockers. The episode examines the original rationales for early intervention, including short-term mental health support and cosmetic outcomes. It also examines the concerns and criticisms raised by those who question the reliability of identifying children who will persist in their gender dysphoria into adulthood.
Wider Implications and Philosophical Questions
The podcast episode explores the wider implications and philosophical questions related to gender identity. It delves into the intersection between gender identity and sexual orientation, as well as the experiences of gay individuals. The discussion raises questions about the basis of gender identity and its relation to one's physical characteristics. The episode investigates the tension between individual experiences and societal expectations. It also considers the ethical implications of medical interventions on minors and the need for further research to better understand the complexities of gender identity.
Leor is a writer and researcher. He’s currently a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a frequent contributor to City Journal, particularly on issues of gender identity and public policy.
For two clips of our convo — on the sudden skyrocketing of girls seeking transition, and how the medicalizing of trans kids destroys their ability to have orgasms in the future — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: Leor’s childhood bouncing between the US and a kibbutz in Israel; getting drafted into the IDF and serving in a combat unit; traveling the globe afterwards; getting a BA in Haifa and a PhD at Boston College; doing a Harvard postdoc on the Obama administration’s redefinition of male and female under Title IX; the Dutch protocol; the shift from “transexual” to “transgender”; Stoller and Money; the Reimer twins; how there’s no single definition of “transgender” in Gender Studies; autogynephilia; how “early-onset gender dysphoria” is mostly effeminate boys who turn out to be gay; Jazz Jennings; Marci Bowers; how puberty blockers were originally a “pause button” — not a transition method; the suicide scare-tactic; the Tavistock Center and Time to Think; the US shift from “watchful waiting” to “gender-affirming care”; the shifting rhetoric of “conversion therapy” and “born that way”; trans athletes; the euphoric effect of a T surge; Masha Gessen; Rachel Levine; how “nonbinary” is one of the fastest growing identities; and tales of detransition.
Browse the Dishcast archive for another convo you might enjoy (the first 102 episodes are free in their entirety — subscribe to get everything else). Coming up: Ian Buruma on his new book The Collaborators: Three Stories of Deception and Survival in World War II, the young reactionary Spencer Klavan, and Martha Nussbaum on her book Justice For Animals. Later on: Matthew Crawford, David Brooks and Pamela Paul. Please send any guest recs, pod dissent and other comments to dish@andrewsullivan.com.
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