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The speaker emphasizes that the public markets, such as Amazon, Google, and Salesforce, have proven that innovation can happen in the public markets. They argue that the idea that you can't innovate in public markets is false, and that going public provides a cheap source of capital. They anticipate that the IPO markets will open up in 2024 and 2025 due to a backlog caused by a lack of IPOs in the previous years.
The podcast discusses how the market is resetting, with pricing coming back down to more reasonable levels. It highlights a trend of venture firms like Altimeter doing fewer deals, but with higher quality and more efficient companies. The availability of technical talent has increased due to remote work and AI driving productivity gains. This is seen as a great time to start a company and raise capital, with increased opportunities and a more rational environment.
The podcast mentions the significant amount of funding in AI in 2023, with a few large deals making up a large portion of the total. There is speculation on whether the funding will be more distributed among startups in 2024 or if incumbent companies will continue to receive the majority. The role of AI and its potential impact is highlighted, with AI startups expected to play a significant role in shaping the future.
The speakers discuss the potential overvaluation and hype around AI investments, with the industry experiencing both positive developments and potential manic tendencies. Some startups may game the system using credits for equity or reselling hosting services, leading to potential sloppiness. It is noted that there are real opportunities and revenue growth happening, but caution is urged due to potential mispricing and excessive speculation.
To navigate the realm of AI successfully, it is crucial for businesses to stay engaged, study the industry, and understand the end-use cases driving productivity. Being too early can be just as detrimental as being completely wrong, as illustrated by the search engine market in the late 90s. Startups that bet on various search engines were outperformed by those who invested in Google's IPO. Similarly, it is important to be cautious yet diligent in the AI landscape, given the potential commoditization of language models and the need for differentiation. The arrival of open source models also presents a disruptive shift and an opportunity for players like Meta and Mistral to lead the market.
The podcast episode delves into the potential of voice recognition in combination with language models to revolutionize user interfaces. Enabling seamless vocal interactions with AI-powered personal assistants has the potential to enhance efficiency and user experience. However, there are challenges in building an infrastructure for transactional capabilities, particularly in facilitating agreements with aggregators and vertical service providers. Companies like Google could struggle with expanding multiples and preserving monopoly profits, especially as the transition from blue link search results to answering user queries accelerates. The discussion highlights the significance of simplifying transactional processes and fostering win-win partnerships to achieve optimal consumer experiences.
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Today’s show:
Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner, and Jason Calacanis join David Weisburd to discuss the market downturn's impact on startups, including shutdowns and shifting investment strategies (1:29). They also debate the AI boom (54:50), chatbots' future potential and hype (1:01:11), and which tech giants may perform best or worst in 2024 (1:20:32).
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Timestamps:
(0:00) David Weisburd hosts Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner, & Jason Calacanis to discuss the state of tech markets
(1:29) Startup shutdowns in 2023 vs dotcom crash
(3:52) Perspective on current market from Bill Gurley
(7:52) Brad's outlook on startup shutdowns continuing in 2024
(11:48) OpenPhone - Get 20% off your first six months at https://openphone.com/twist
(13:16) Different investor perspectives based on investment stage
(16:47) Altimeter's recent investing activity
(25:32) DevSquad - Get an entire product team for the cost of one US developer plus 10% off at http://devsquad.com/twist
(26:30) Reflecting on past IPOs and paths to building businesses for growth
(36:40) Squarespace - Use offer code TWIST to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain at https://Squarespace.com/twist
(38:07) State of Series B/C deals in 2023 vs 2021 peak
(42:42) Why now is a great time to start a company
(47:17) Jason's theories for success in venture
(49:42) Abundance of technical talent in Silicon Valley and impact of AI on company size and competition
(54:50) AI investments in 2024
(1:01:11) Launguage models raising large rounds quickly and the potential for LLMs to hit a ceiling soon
(1:05:18) The best case for Meta being a leader in AI and Apple's position
(1:08:55) Importance of voice recognition for AI interfaces, challenges of enabling transactions via AI, and consumers choosing services via AI
(1:20:32) Picks for best and worst performing tech giants in 2024
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LINKS:
Unicorn Investors article: https://news.crunchbase.com/venture/top-unicorn-investors-eoy-2023/
Bill Gurley's Above the Crowd article: https://abovethecrowd.com/2011/05/24/all-revenue-is-not-created-equal-the-keys-to-the-10x-revenue-club/
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasoncalacanis
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Great 2023 interviews: Steve Huffman, Brian Chesky, Aaron Levie, Sophia Amoruso, Reid Hoffman, Frank Slootman, Billy McFarland
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