Once More Unto the Breach, with Eliot Cohen | Secrets of Statecraft | Andrew Roberts | Hoover Institution
Nov 10, 2023
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Former State Department Counsellor Eliot Cohen discusses the parallels between Shakespearean characters and real-life leaders. The podcast explores the influence of Shakespeare on politics, the role of counselors, and the comparison between Donald Trump and a Shakespearean character.
Shakespearean characters offer valuable insights into political behavior and motivations.
The recent conflict in Gaza has significant implications for Israel's future.
Donald Trump can be compared to the Shakespearean character Cloten from 'Cymbeline'.
Deep dives
The Hollow Crown and the Exploration of Shakespearean Characters
Elliot Cohen, political scientist and author, discusses his latest book 'The Hollow Crown' and its exploration of Shakespearean characters and their relevance to modern-day politics. Cohen explains that the trigger for writing the book came after seeing a performance of Henry VIII and realizing the striking similarities between certain Shakespearean characters and real-life political figures. He delves into the complexities and ambiguities of characters like Henry VIII, Lear, Richard III, and Iago, highlighting how Shakespeare's unique ability to dissect character offers valuable insights into political behavior and motivations. Cohen draws parallels between certain Shakespearean characters and contemporary political figures, such as drawing a comparison between Richard III and Vladimir Putin. He also discusses the performative aspect of politics, the role of charisma, and the influence of theater in political communication. Cohen concludes with a discussion about the ongoing conflict in Gaza and its implications for the future of Israel.
The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and Its Ongoing Implications
Cohen analyzes the recent conflict in Gaza, highlighting the unexpected success of Hamas and the impressive military response from Israel. He acknowledges the significant impact of the conflict on Israel's existential perception and the potential changes in the country's future. Cohen emphasizes the need for a comprehensive analysis of the conflict's aftermath, including an examination of the military and intelligence leadership as well as a thorough investigation similar to previous commissions in Israeli history. Finally, he discusses the resilience and unity of Israeli civil society and the potential for positive or negative outcomes for the country.
Reading Theodore Roosevelt and Reflecting on J.B. Priestley
Cohen shares his current reading material, including a three-volume biography of Theodore Roosevelt as research for his upcoming book. He explains his aim to delve into the serious core of Roosevelt's character beyond the well-known flamboyant exterior. Additionally, Cohen mentions his recent reading of JB Priestley's 'An English Journey,' a book that recounts Priestley's travels through various regions of England. While appreciating Priestley's charm and insights, he acknowledges that it may not resonate with everyone due to Priestley's anti-Churchill sentiments.
Counterfactual: Lincoln's Bodyguard and the Impact on Reconstruction
Cohen offers a counterfactual scenario, imagining the impact if Abraham Lincoln's bodyguard, Ward Lemon, had accompanied him to Ford's theater. Cohen suggests that Lemon's physical presence and potential reaction to John Wilkes Booth could have prevented Lincoln's assassination or at least delayed it. He speculates on Lincoln's approach to Reconstruction and his determination to ensure equal rights for African Americans, highlighting how Lincoln's ruthless side and commitment to justice could have shaped the post-Civil War era differently.
Shakespeare and Donald Trump: A Comparison to Cloten
Discussing the comparison of Shakespearean characters to real-life figures, Cohen asserts that Donald Trump resembles Cloten from 'Cymbeline.' Cloten is a violent and misogynistic character who lusts for the king's daughter and seeks to humiliate her. Cohen draws parallels between Cloten's courtiers who mock him but take no action and individuals surrounding Trump. He concludes with a discussion about the performative aspect of politics, the role of charisma, and the influence of theater in political communication.
