

Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor
Feb 27, 2025
In this engaging discussion, Caleb Campbell, Pastor of Desert Springs Bible Church and author, shares insights on navigating friendships with Christian nationalists. He reflects on his teenage involvement with extremist groups and how personal experiences shaped his views. Caleb delves into the complexities of American Christian nationalism, explaining its nostalgic allure and the fear of ethnic erasure. He also offers practical advice for meaningful conversations, encouraging humility and spiritual preparation as tools for healing divisive beliefs.
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Congregation Lost To Political Shift
- Caleb Campbell describes watching longtime congregants adopt xenophobic, tribal rhetoric and leave his church between 2016 and 2020.
- He links their shift to rising MAGA/Christian nationalist influence and local political events like Turning Point USA rallies.
Personal Past In Extremist Group
- Caleb shares that as a teen he joined a neo-Nazi skinhead group seeking safety, belonging, and purpose.
- He later disentangled when actions didn't match ideology, informing his empathy for Christian nationalists.
Use A Missional Posture First
- Study the culture, set a table of hospitality, then use humble subversion to reveal inconsistencies.
- Approach Christian nationalists as a missionary would, prioritizing learning and relationship over debate.