

S7E6: Pulling It All Together
10 snips May 13, 2025
In this engaging conversation, Ben Hepburn, a high school friend of Lawrence Lessig from Williamsport, Pennsylvania, dives into political disagreements while finding common ground. They tackle authoritarianism and the impact of economic policies, sharing thoughts on current challenges in American politics. The duo also shares humorous insights about rural life and the unique struggles of farming. Additionally, they address mental health issues in law and agriculture, emphasizing the need for empathy and understanding amidst widespread division.
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Lessig's Four Trump Flaws
- Larry Lessig identifies four critical flaws of Donald Trump: authoritarianism, idiotic policies, traitorous attitudes, and corruption.
- These traits conflict deeply with traditional values shared by those like his friend Ben Hepburn from Williamsport, Pennsylvania.
Complex Sources Shape Beliefs
- Ben Hepburn explains his support for Trump stems from hearing varied perspectives and a feeling that Trump delivers on his promises.
- He compares trusting Trump with trusting politically influential figures like Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk, highlighting the complexity of choosing whom to believe.
Tariffs Reflect Corruption Not Strategy
- Lessig contrasts Trump's damaging economic policies with previous economic recoveries led by tough but effective measures.
- He argues Trump's tariffs are not strategic but a corrupt grift benefiting his personal interests while harming the economy.