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358. TNE TALKS: The Invisible Jesus

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Feb 3, 2025

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Tommy Preson Phillips

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Scot McKnight

Tommy Preson Phillips, a pastor and musician from Tampa, and Scot McKnight, a seasoned professor and author, dive deep into the topic of faith deconstruction. They discuss how this journey often reflects a longing for deeper connections rather than a rejection of faith. Their insights tackle the complexities of Christian orthodoxy and the political influences reshaping modern evangelicalism. Emphasizing community support, they advocate for a more inclusive approach to Christianity, focusing on social justice and the marginalized.

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Deconstruction and Faith

Many people deconstructing Christianity are not leaving Jesus.
They are seeking a more authentic faith but feel unsupported in their current church.

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Historic Orthodoxy

Claims of deconstructors abandoning historic orthodoxy often misrepresent their journey.
They may be challenging specific theological interpretations rather than core Christian beliefs.

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ANECDOTE

Tim's Deconstruction

Tim had questions about Trump's actions and his pastor's responses.
He discovered a larger Christian tradition beyond his upbringing.

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Exploring Faith and Connections: The Journey of 'Invisible Jesus'

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Understanding Deconstruction in Faith

07:55 • 8min

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Navigating Faith Deconstruction and Finding Community Support

15:46 • 3min

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Deconstructing Faith: A Journey Through Christianity and Politics

18:52 • 15min

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Reinterpreting the Beatitudes: Jesus' Call for Justice

34:07 • 5min

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Navigating Disillusionment in Modern Faith

39:26 • 24min

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Resident Aliens

Life in the Christian Colony

William Willimon

Stanley Hauerwas

In this book, Hauerwas and Willimon argue that the church should not conform to the standards of the world but instead maintain its unique identity as a community of faith. They explore how the church can be a transformative presence in society by living out its values and practices distinctively.

The great emergence

How Christianity is Changing and Why

Phyllis Tickle

In 'The Great Emergence', Phyllis Tickle argues that Christianity undergoes major transformations approximately every 500 years. She traces these transformations from the time of Jesus, through the Great Schism, the Reformation, and now to 'The Great Emergence'. Tickle posits that this current transformation is driven by postmodern culture, the internet, and a shift away from traditional authority structures. The book explores how these changes are leading to a new form of Christianity that is more Jewish, paradoxical, narrative, and mystical than its predecessors.

The Other Evangelicals

Isaac Sharp

Invisible Jesus

Tommy Preson Phillips

Scot McKnight

Invisible Jesus explores the reasons behind the deconstruction of faith among Christians. The authors examine various issues within the church, such as toxic leadership, legalistic thinking, and political partisanship, that contribute to this phenomenon. They highlight the experiences of individuals who are questioning their faith while still seeking a genuine connection with Jesus. The book offers biblical reflections and calls for a more compassionate and inclusive approach to faith. Ultimately, it encourages readers to critically examine their own beliefs and practices to ensure they align with the teachings of Jesus.

Revelation for the Rest of Us

Scot McKnight

Cody Matchett

Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger

Ron Sider

David Cochran Heath

Ron Sider's "Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger" is a powerful critique of the prosperity gospel and its implications for global poverty. Sider argues that the church's wealth and affluence stand in stark contrast to the suffering of millions worldwide. He challenges Christians to examine their lifestyles and consumption habits, urging them to live more simply and generously. The book explores the biblical basis for social justice and calls for a radical reorientation of priorities, emphasizing the importance of alleviating poverty and promoting global equity. Sider's work has been influential in shaping discussions about the church's role in addressing social and economic inequalities.

The Deconstruction of Christianity

What It Is, Why It’s Destructive, and How to Respond

Alisa Childers

Tim Barnett

This book delves into the deconstruction movement within Christianity, explaining what it is, why it is destructive, and how to respond. It distinguishes between a crisis of faith and deconstruction, highlighting common triggers such as suffering, doubt, politics, purity culture, and toxic theology. The authors advocate for a reformation or reconstruction of faith based on Scripture rather than deconstruction. The book is divided into three parts, covering the manifestation of deconstruction, its causes, and how to love and help those undergoing it.

The Blue Parakeet

Scot McKnight

In this TALKS Episode, Tommy Preson Phillips, and Scot McKnight delve into the themes of deconstruction within Christianity, exploring its implications and the journey many are taking towards a more authentic faith. They discuss the misconceptions surrounding deconstruction, the complexities of Christian orthodoxy, and the political influences that have shaped modern evangelicalism. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of community and understanding in navigating faith crises, ultimately advocating for a more inclusive and loving approach to Christianity.

Chapters

06:49 Understanding Deconstruction: A Path Towards Jesus

15:02 The Complexity of Christian Orthodoxy

20:14 Navigating Political Influences in Faith

30:50 The Rise of Christian Nationalism

36:55 Disappointment in Leadership and Idolatry

41:01 The Church's Role in Social Justice

49:58 The Church's Responsibility to the Marginalized

54:10 Finding a Path Forward in Faith

Scott and Tommy's new Book | Invisible Jesus: A Book about Leaving the Church and Looking for Christ

Tommy's Artisit Page | Preson Phillips

Scott's Substack | Scotmcknight.substack.com

Tommy's Substack | Tommypresonphillips.substack.com

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