

The New Evangelicals Podcast
Hosted by Tim Whitaker
The New Evangelicals Podcast invites you into bold, thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. Each week our host, Tim Whitaker, speaks with pastors, theologians, scholars, and cultural leaders who are challenging the status quo, confronting Christian Nationalism, and imagining a more inclusive and just world.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Dec 8, 2025 • 1h 3min
407. What Changed Our Minds - From Two Former Christian Nationalists
In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages engages in a candid conversation with Monte Mader, a musician turned content creator. They explore the challenges and transformations in their personal and professional lives, discussing the impact of Christian nationalism, the journey of deconstruction, and the pursuit of authenticity in faith and life.
Monte's Website | Montemader.com
Monte's Podcast | Flipping Tables
Chapters
03:00 Impact of Christian Nationalism
09:00 Navigating Faith and Politics
15:00 Authenticity and Personal Beliefs
21:00 Challenges of Deconstruction
27:00 Community and Hope for the Future
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
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This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dec 1, 2025 • 1h 17min
406. Modern White Supremacy Traded White Hoods for Red Hats
In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages engages in an enlightening conversation with public theologian and digital pastor, Kristian A. Smith. The discussion spans various critical themes such as the dangers of Christian nationalism, the importance of economic justice, and the moral imperative to address societal inequities.
Kristian's Website | Kristianasmith.com
Chapters
03:46 Discussing Christian Nationalism
09:11 The Complexity of Christianity and Social Justice
24:36 Racial Injustice and Historical Context
39:46 Power of Collective Action
40:57 Challenges of Class Solidarity
57:55 Whiteness and Identity Crisis
01:03:42 Biblical Perspectives on Wealth and Morality
01:09:26 Final Thoughts and Call to Action
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 24, 2025 • 1h 3min
405. How to Die with Josh Porter
In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Josh Porter, author of 'How to Die: Chaos, Mortality, and the Scandal of Christian Discipleship.' They explore the complexities of Christian discipleship, the rejection of Christian nationalism, and the importance of inclusivity within the faith.
Josh's Website | Joshuasporter.com
Chapters
06:14 The Premise of 'How to Die' and Christian Discipleship
11:44 Navigating Christian Nationalism and Cultural Contexts
20:41 Understanding Christian Discipleship in Modern Times
27:52 The Complexity of Queer Inclusion in Christianity
34:13 Orthodoxy and the Evolution of Beliefs
51:43 Bringing Heaven to Earth: A Call to Action
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 17, 2025 • 1h 9min
404. MAGA Isn't Afraid of Trans People. It's Disgusted By Them
In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a conversation with Billie and Paul Hoard about their new book Eucontamination. The discussion dives into the theory of disgust and the innovative concept of 'good contamination,' describing how Jesus is seen as a transformative contaminant for good. They explore how disgust influences societal behaviors, particularly within evangelical circles, and how Jesus' embrace of those considered 'impure' subverts traditional notions of purity.
Billie and Paul's Book | Eucontamination
Chapters
08:13 Understanding Disgust from a Psychological Perspective
14:52 Sociological and Political Implications of Disgust
18:29 Jesus as the Good Contaminant
34:23 The Paradox of Holiness and Worldly Contamination
35:21 The Role of the Church in Spreading Goodness
35:41 Personal Reflections on Faith and Community
43:32 The Challenge of Embracing New Experiences
57:56 Final Thoughts and Theological Insights____________________________________________________
TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 10, 2025 • 1h 2min
403. Reclaiming Theology that Gives Life, not Death
In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a conversation with Dr. Brandon Ambrosino, author of 'Is It God's Will? Making Sense of Tragedy, Luck, and Hope in a World Gone Wrong.' They explore Brandon's journey from Pentecostalism to Catholicism, the complexities of the problem of evil, and the implications of Christian nationalism on faith.
Brandon on X | @BrandonAmbro
Chapters
01:54 Brandon's Journey: From Pentecostalism to Catholicism
16:50 Exploring the Problem of Evil
42:09 The Intersection of Faith and Christian Nationalism
51:51 Rethinking Theology and Community Engagement
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nov 3, 2025 • 1h 19min
402. Can a Good God Call for a Genocide?
In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a conversation with Dr. Kip Davis, a biblical scholar specializing in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Hebrew Bible. They explore the complexities of interpreting the Hebrew Bible, the nature of God in ancient texts, and the implications of biblical narratives in modern society especially in regard to interpreting genocide depicted in the biblical account.
Kipp on YouTube | @Dr KippDavis
Chapters
04:26 Understanding the Hebrew Bible's Complexities
11:40 The Bible as a Conversation: Context and Interpretation
26:14 Genesis: Authorial Intent and Modern Interpretation
43:24 God's Role in the Garden: Good or Bad?
57:33 Political Propaganda in Biblical Narratives
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 27, 2025 • 57min
401. Political Scientist Dr. Nola Haynes Explains the MAGA problem
In today's episode, Tim Whitaker engages in a conversation with Dr. Nola Haynes discussing the critical aspects of space security, emphasizing the need for ethical diplomacy in national security. The conversation delves into the implications of Christian nationalism, the role of media in shaping public discourse, and the security concerns posed by extremism.
https://www.cnas.org/people/nola-haynes
Chapters
05:27 The Ethics of Diplomacy in National Security
12:32 The Role of Media in Shaping Public Discourse
21:30 The Cult-like Nature of Political Ideologies
36:32 The Intersection of Technology and Social Media
42:18 The Global Impact of Nationalism and Racism
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TNE Podcast hosts thought-provoking conversations at the intersection of faith, politics, and justice. We’re part of the New Evangelical’s 501c3 nonprofit that rejects Christian Nationalism and builds a better path forward, rooted in Jesus and centered on justice. If you'd like to support our work or get involved, visit our website: www.thenewevangelicals.com
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 20, 2025 • 56min
400. The Separation of Church and Hate
In today's episode, Tim interviews John Fugelsang, author of 'The Separation of Church and Hate.' They discuss John's upbringing in a Catholic household, the hijacking of Christianity by fundamentalists, and the challenges of engaging with those who hold extremist views. The conversation also touches on the role of media in shaping perceptions of Christianity, the impact of Trump on evangelicalism, and the importance of shared values in combating Christian nationalism. John emphasizes the need for Christians to return to the teachings of Jesus and to advocate for love and compassion in society.
John's Book | Separation of Church and Hate: A Sane Person's Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing Frauds
John on Twitter | @Johnfugelsang
Chapters
02:45 John's Background and Early Influences
08:29 Engaging with Fundamentalism
14:47 Cognitive Dissonance in Evangelicalism
20:42 The Challenge of Critical Thinking in Faith
38:30 The Role of Media in Shaping Narratives
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The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center.
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 13, 2025 • 1h 5min
399. Using Comedy to Heal from My Fundamentalist Upbringing
In this episode, comedian Jeremy Alder shares his journey from a conservative evangelical upbringing to navigating the complexities of faith, community, and politics. He discusses the challenges of growing up in a sheltered environment, the process of deconstructing his beliefs, and the role of humor in coping with trauma.
Jeremy's Website | Jeremyalder.com
Chapters
06:31 The Journey of Deconstruction
14:17 Exploring the New Monasticism Movement
27:18 The Role of Comedy in Processing Trauma
34:04 The Role of Comedy in Healing
40:23 The Betrayal of Evangelical Values
48:31 The Challenge of Truth in Disinformation
53:09 Finding a Path Forward Through Humor
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If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
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The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center.
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Oct 6, 2025 • 53min
398. Better Ways to Read the Bible
In today's episode, Tim engages in a profound conversation with Pastor Zach Lambert about his book, 'Better Ways to Read the Bible.' They explore the complexities of interpreting the Bible, especially in light of its historical misuse as a tool for oppression.
Zach's Book | Better Ways to Read the Bible
Zach's Substack | Zachwlambert.substack.com
Chapters
01:29 Navigating the Complexity of the Bible
13:56 Weaponization of Scripture
20:30 The Apocalypse Lens and Its Implications
30:02 Healthy Lenses for Biblical Interpretation
40:00 Resisting Christian Nationalism
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If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!
Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals
Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals
The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center.
This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | Joshgilbertmedia.com
We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


