Caleb and Michael take on Book II of Cicero’s On Ends.  In this books Cicero goes off against the Epicureans.  What do you think?

On Ends Book I

Aristippus: The Philosopher Who Mastered Pleasure

(02:43) Different Kinds Of Pleasure

(16:34) Turning AgainstThe Stoics

(18:02) Ranking Pleasures

(24:40) Epicurean Rebranding?

(30:55) Epicureans Ignore Virtue

(34:28) Utilitarianism

(38:18) Topsy Turvy Value Systems

(46:50) Do Epicureans Lie?

(48:17) Is Happiness Up To You

(56:08) Michael's Takeaway

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