Against The Epicureans | On Ends Book II (Episode 175)

Caleb and Michael take on Book II of Cicero’s On Ends.  In this books Cicero goes off against the Epicureans.  What do you think?

On Ends Book I

Aristippus: The Philosopher Who Mastered Pleasure

(02:43) Different Kinds Of Pleasure

(16:34) Turning AgainstThe Stoics

(18:02) Ranking Pleasures

(24:40) Epicurean Rebranding?

(30:55) Epicureans Ignore Virtue

(34:28) Utilitarianism

(38:18) Topsy Turvy Value Systems

(46:50) Do Epicureans Lie?

(48:17) Is Happiness Up To You

(56:08) Michael's Takeaway

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