I think it's fair to say from having read your book that it's not as if Mandela made all the calls correctly, did he? He made the big ones ultimately. But what's so interesting is that he was a human being. And like many leaders, he's having to find his way. There were times in the days that followed when there must have been massive misgivings among people in the ANC about Mandela and what he was doing. It was an expeditionary nine, 10 days of that. I just wondered if you could say a little bit about that because the popular memory of that time is the killing of Chris Hani.

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