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#319 | Dave sits down with Jess Lytle, Head of Marketing at Exit Five, to talk about how AI is changing the job of B2B marketers and the reality of how AI is actually being adopted internally. They also cover how AI even helped Jess get her job at Exit Five and why she’s become obsessed about deploying AI in marketing and really believes this is the most important martech wave yet.

Timestamps

• (00:00) - – Goals, manifestation, and reverse-engineering outcomes
• (06:14) - – Meet Jess Lytle, Head of Marketing at Exit Five
• (08:28) - – How Jess got hired at Exit Five (webinar → DMs → job)
• (10:28) - – From demand gen to AI: early adoption, teaching, and Lovable
• (15:58) - – Why AI feels different than traditional martech
• (18:28) - – Content in 2026: originality, human insight, and AI distribution
• (29:16) - – NotebookLM: real marketing workflows and internal use cases
• (35:16) - – AI tools, team structure, and hybrid marketer roles
• (45:56) - – Working at Exit Five, founder-led marketing, and brand bets

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