What do we know about what's happening now that the pandemic has been declared over? I mean, is this going to be a year of everybody's wildly going on vacation or have people gotten into a rut of not taking vacation, got used to staying home? Maybe we're going to do that again this year.

Dr. Maira Kavarz Yeah, I don't know the exact numbers. I'm not a tourism researcher. But my impression from what I see around me is that people got to appreciate the things close by more. And I see people that do say now, oh, instead of flying somewhere and having all the travel stress that we were mentioning before, plus sustainability issues coming up, maybe it's as nice to just go half an hour somewhere and go camping in nature somewhere and do something that does take us in a different environment, but still without all the hassle of traveling far. And that's that also reminds me a little bit of this slow travel movement that has been also now been investigated a little bit that it showed that when people that the distance the actual distance cover doesn't really matter for the feeling of being away. But it's more the the time it takes to get there. So when you would go by bike or maybe take the train, take a slower mode of transportation, you can feel away from home while still being relatively close. So I think that's a nice way of thinking about it and rethinking maybe where we want to go.

And I think it probably also it relates to the individual differences we were talking about before with people's intra you know differences and where they want to go on vacation. I think that now we saw in the US at least huge surges in the number of people booking flights last summer right so this has really been a huge increase since the pandemic but it's not everybody mean, I think there are people who maybe the more introverted people, maybe the people who don't have as much of a need for novelty, aren't sensation seekers, you know, so there's like these personality differences where I think some people really suffered during the pandemic because they weren't going away and other people were like, you know, maybe I maybe I can just rent an Airbnb an hour in a way and that feels just as good. I think the climate-changed thing is really also having a big impact. I've seen a lot fewer people, at least in academics, going to conferences for that reason. Maybe because of the pandemic, they're realizing that the state of our planet is really important. If they can do small things, then they don't need to maybe travel quite as much as they used to.