When I got sober, your only options were going to a treatment center followed by a lot of 12 step meetings. A few years ago, I started to meet people and this is what actually led me into having the curiosity to explore plant medicines in an intentional way. So from that perspective, it actually makes sense that if someone has a deeply transcendent experience using air quotes, again, psilocybin, LSD, whatever it is. It makes sense that one could have the experience of the divine, of God, of higher states of consciousness that could then render them sober.

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