Is There Upwardness in Direct Experience?

i really want everyone to become a kind of amateur phenomenologist throughan experience, like the fact that i can describe that there's visualization and there's something beneath visualization. The way in which these things are talked about is just different than my own direct experience of them. I call it the finger wll i don't the zen peoplecall it the finger that points themoo, is not the moon. You have to go cycle ththough, enough fingers, ultimately, before you figured out what the moon is.