Introduction

Jesse: We're going to re-air an interview we initially put out at the very beginning of the show's existence back in our baby days of 2020. That episode was called what a stupid fucking way to have a really important conversation because we are fantastic at SEO. She had gone through a year's worth of diversity training at work with none other than Robin DiAngelo, after a scare quotes picture my scare quotes here, racist incident at the theater. As you will hear, this training started before DiAngelo got famous, but we wanted to revisit this for a couple of reasons.