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Ep 130 Defining Interdependence

Cheaper Than Therapy with Vanessa and Dené

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You Don't Want, You're Not a Child, Right?

"There is something to be said for being seen. And I have been attempting to articulate this, Jesus, probably my entire life," she says. "I think a lot of times the struggle is we chose this person with them not doing some of the things that we need or that we feel like are the needs that we have."

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