People who eat more red meat also eat less fibre, they have all these other confounding variables. At the highest level of fruits and vegetables there is no difference an cancer risk. So to me, that kind of says it's not the meat that's the problem. It's probably more the fact that when you eat high levels of something, typically you're replacing something else. And what i'll tell people is, like, is, it's the overall symphony. It's the symphony that matters, not the tuba, right? It's the Symphony.