I talk to Jozef Chen, a grappling phenom who recently took Bronze at the ADCC trials while only being seventeen years old and relatively new to his jiu-jitsu training. We discuss how he gained his skill level at such a young age from using instructionals and drilling techniques in a conceptual style influenced by Rob Biernacki. After preparing for the ADCC trials at the B-Team in Texas with Craig Jones, we talk about what his experience was like grappling in that high-level training environment and how he plans on training and teaching going into the future.