How is perfectionism measured? And how would someone listening or watching this identify whether I'm struggling with perfectionism, for example? So as academics, we like to measure things. What we've done over many decades is listen to perfectionistic people. We aggregate them and we see where people sit on that spectrum. Perfectionism very much comes from, I'm not good enough. I'm not perfect enough. And when you start there, you can begin to unpack why it can be really damaging.

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