Aseem: I don't think enough people understand how much influence pharma and big food, quote unquote, have on the way that they think about diet and nutrition and health. He says there's just so much influence into the dietary guidelines that were taught in medical school. Aseem: We've realized more and more now through deception, deliberate, you know, deception or lying in order to make money. That's what it is. And that's a big issue.

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