Patagonia has always been different. While so many companies lose their way when profits come before people, the planet, or even their own products, Patagonia continues to stay true to its values.

In today’s episode of The Eric Ries Show, I speak with journalist David Gelles, author of Dirtbag Billionaire, his new book about founder Yvon Chouinard. We explore how Chouinard built Patagonia with an ethos of quality and conservation, how he resisted the corrupting pull of profit-at-all-costs, and why he ultimately gave the company away to protect its mission.

We talk about what Patagonia’s story reveals about the possibility of building ethical companies that not only survive but thrive. And we make the case for putting strong protections in place from the very beginning, so that a company’s purpose can endure long after its founder is gone.

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Where to find David Gelles:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidgelles/

• X: https://x.com/dgelles

• Substack: https://davidgelles.substack.com/

• Website: https://davidgelles.com/

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In This Episode We Cover:

(00:00) Intro

(02:30) Why Patagonia remains so little understood despite its visibility

(05:47) How Yvon Chouinard resisted the corrupting influence of wealth

(07:48) How Yvon’s rural upbringing shaped his enduring ethos

(11:51) The pivotal moments that revealed a market for Yvon’s high-quality gear

(16:17) Yvon’s partnership with Tom Frost and the expansion from climbing gear into apparel

(18:06) How a local river fight sparked Yvon’s lifelong activism

(21:32) Why Patagonia was able to resist the corporate pressures that erode values

(27:46) David on what corruption meant to Yvon and his uncompromising philosophy

(30:03) LTSE and alternative structures that protect values

(33:48) A short history of shareholder primacy and general incorporation

(36:03) Yvon’s aversion to conventional business culture

(37:44) Doug Tompkins’s contrasting path from luxury to large-scale conservation

(40:33) Yvon’s behind-the-scenes funding of Tompkins Conservation

(42:19) Patagonia’s values of quality and conservation and the movements it spurred

(51:11) Tony’s Chocolonely’s ethical approach to chocolate and influence on supply chains

(52:34) How Yvon structured succession to protect Patagonia’s values

(1:02:33) Examples of foundation-owned companies: Grundfos and Zeiss

(1:03:47) A case for building protective structures from day one

(1:06:06) Why mission-aligned, ethical companies don’t get as much press

(1:10:04) The long-term value of taking the harder road

(1:16:25) What financial reporting teaches us about prioritizing ethics

(1:22:03) Why every company must define its own purpose

(1:24:59) Final reflections on why companies can be run with values and integrity

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