They reflect on Mark Zuckerberg's changing views, questioning what caused him to change his mind and how disagreement can break through his high fence. They discuss his increasing isolation and power, comparing themselves to him and pondering whether he is capable of change.
This Labor Day, we are re airing a fan-favorite episode about, who else, Elon Musk and Kara Swisher. Nayeema interviews Kara — who’s covered Musk since the late 90s. We’ll unpack how Elon became Elon, why Kara came to believe he was one of the greatest visionaries in Silicon Valley, when exactly she soured on him — and why she still holds out some hope. If you’re not sick of Elon by the end of this episode, you may also want to listen to our conversations with Elon biographer Walter Isaacson, former Twitter employee Yoel Roth and journalists Bill Cohan and Ronan Farrow.
You can find Kara and Nayeema on Instagram/Threads @karaswisher and @nayeemaraza.
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