In one of his first trials, he looked at a massive blood pressure trial led by Larry Apple and Frank Sacks. When you sort of analyze what they were eating, was there any major differences between macronutrients or other parts of the diet? Oh, huge. Massive. So that's a good question though. I mean, yeah, there's two kinds of questions. You can match everything at which point, why would they be different because they're all matched versus, oh, this is a different way of eating.

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