YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDM8YyV7RA

Jesse Michels probes UAPs, David Grusch's claims of ufology, venture capital, and the private investment tied to this all. Listen now early and ad-free on Patreon https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal.

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LINKS MENTIONED:

- Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw

- Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels

- A New Kind of Science (Stephen Wolfram): https://amzn.to/45C3yNP

- Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (René Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6

- Conspiracy (Ryan Holiday): https://amzn.to/3S4w6fH

- Zero to One (Peter Thiel and Blake Masters): https://amzn.to/45AneBE

- The Man Who Mastered Gravity (Paul Shotskin): https://amzn.to/3Q9e7SW

- Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs

- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms

- Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc

- Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE

- News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc

- UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M

- The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ

- The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ

- Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4

- Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4

- Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk

- Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY

- Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw

- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE

- Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw

- Theo Von's channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673

- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI

- Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc

TIMESTAMPS:

- 00:00:55 Interviewing David Grusch...

- 00:09:00 The fight against misinformation in UFO studies

- 00:13:07 The intersection of consciousness and parapsychology

- 00:16:24 String theory and what physics is

- 00:20:46 Jesse's relationship with Grusch

- 00:25:59 Reverse engineering programs (the greatest PSYOP of all time)

- 00:37:00 Oppenheimer's involvement in UFO research?

- 00:51:00 Theories behind UFO crashes

- 01:20:00 Lessons from investment failures

- 01:41:53 UFOs and the private sector (the Wilson memo and AATIP)

- 01:50:01 Unseen parts of the Grusch interview (Roger Penrose's theory, multiverses)

- 02:03:05 The best evidence for UFOs

- 02:10:23 The mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)

- 02:22:08 Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms

- 02:35:03 Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch (what did he mean?)

- 02:38:32 Criticism from Avi Loeb

- 02:52:59 Advice for studying the phenomenon

- 03:00:17 Curt's disappointment in UFO "revelations" lacking tangible evidence

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