There's not going to be a right or wrong in every situation. It's just going to be, do you create an environment in which people feel comfortable expressing themselves, sharing their opinions and being candid with each other? And then that's how you can kind of shape how you interact with each person. Of course, there are clear moral, like immoral acts that leaders need to take action upon. But most of what we're talking about is just how you treat each other on a day-to-day basis. And I feel like we can just resolve that by talking. I completely agree.

So let me give you that and abbreviate a version of that scenario, which is you run an organization. Okay. And you learn by looking at Glassdoor that a variety of people in your organization consider your organization to be characterized by, for lack of a better term, bro culture. There's a lot of discussion of weekend activities. There's a lot of discussion of people's appearances. You don't read anything that suggests there's anything violent going on, there's anything like that. It is just the pervasive sense that you're dominated by a masculine and bro kind of culture. What do you do about that? Because you said like this is an idogridity, right? Yeah, but look, I mean, I think the single

most important question that you have to ask yourself as a leader, if you run a business, a business unit, a function, a small team, it's a very simple question. And that is, are you willing to take ownership of the culture of the thing that you're leading? Right. If you feel any ambivalence around that, then you're going to respond in a way that reveals that ambivalence. And you're going to say, oh, I'll do a few things. If you feel like, no, no, no, I'm going to own this thing. I am going to try to influence the culture of this thing I have been asked to lead. Then you're going to get in there and you're going to, number one, try to diagnose what the problem is to get a sense of the scope, the scale, and then do whatever you can to create a stream of activity that begins to make it better. And the problem is, is that so much, I mean, this is to your point, Cara, so much of the stuff that creates the pollution boils down to discretionary behaviors that are small, who gets included in a meeting, who gets listened to, who gets, sometimes it boils down to things like an emotional intelligence, social intelligence, understanding how your words can have an impact.