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#2 Barry O'Reilly: Unlearning and creating culture change

Make Things That Matter

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Unlearn: How to Get Out of Barriers

LZ Granderson: One of the things that came up for me when I was reading your book and listening to your podcast is like the barriers that people stumble upon, right? And how kind of going back to the idea of mindset, how many of those barriers do we get tripped up on? LZ: Well, look, you're touching on some of the most important ones, right? The first one for me is always curiosity. Like, how interested are you really in getting information that's counter to what you believe? Right?

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