I can't tell you how many times like I'm re-listening to a podcast episode. And it gets difficult. There's just no way to be sure that what you're saying is being heard the way that you intend it. You have to be playing three-dimensional chess in order to identify what they're expecting so that you can use that to highlight your point more actively. But that comes down to persuasiveness and rhetoric, but with a dash of ... remember, this person is, has their own internal experience kind of reflection that is always there.

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