
Curtis Morely Reveals The Secret To Pushing Through Hard Times
The Mark Divine Show
The Difference Between Guilt, Shame, Pain, and Misery
Curtis distinguishes guilt versus shame and pain versus misery and links those differences to recovery outcomes.
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In this episode of the Mark Divine Show, Mark Divine interviews Curtis Morley, Wall Street Journal bestselling author, entrepreneur, and self-described emotion artist. They discuss the significance of understanding authentic emotions vs. counterfeit emotions and how these distinctions impact leadership, personal growth, and recovery. Curtis shares his insights into emotional intelligence, emotional development, and his personal journey from tech entrepreneur to helping leaders build high-integrity lives. They emphasize emotional authenticity, curiosity, and the importance of addressing root-level emotional patterns to achieve transformative growth. Curtis also previews his upcoming book, 'Counterfeit Emotions,' which explores these themes in depth.
Here's what you'll learn:
-The True Meaning of Success
Success is redefined from external achievements—like trophies, awards, and recognition—to an internal sense of fulfillment. True success is about what’s happening inside, not what’s displayed on a shelf.
-Emotional Intelligence: The #1 Predictor of Success
Across all areas of life, emotional intelligence is the top indicator of future success. It’s not about skills or degrees, but about understanding your own feelings and knowing how to manage them.
-Failures as the Path to Growth
Growth comes from failures, not just successes. Learning to let go, forgive, and stop playing the victim is essential. Most successful people have experienced significant failures, which often become their greatest blessings.
-The Power of Vulnerability in Leadership
True courage in leadership means being open and vulnerable—admitting when you don’t have the answers or need help. This authenticity makes leaders stronger and more relatable.
-Kindness vs. Niceness: The Power of Boundaries
Niceness can be a defense mechanism to avoid conflict, while true kindness starts with setting boundaries and being kind to yourself. You can only be as kind to others as you are to yourself.
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Curtis Morely Links:
Website: https://www.counterfeitemotions.com/
Unhooked Book: https://a.co/d/2w4iFDa
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/authenticcurtis/
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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Curtis Morley
00:17 Defining Success: Internal vs. External
00:31 Understanding Emotions: Guilt, Shame, Pain, and Misery
01:28 The Unbeatable Leader Challenge
02:31 Welcome to the Mark Divine Show
03:32 Curtis Morley's Entrepreneurial Journey
09:17 Emotional Development in Entrepreneurship
16:44 The Importance of Emotional Intelligence
24:08 Counterfeit Emotions: Misery vs. Pain, Guilt vs. Shame
36:36 Understanding Trauma and Its Impact
37:48 Nice vs. Kind: The Counterfeit Emotion
42:03 Transforming Conflict into Connection
44:00 The Pendulum of Emotions
45:45 Surrender vs. Resignation
48:27 Curiosity vs. Suspicion
56:08 Sobriety vs. Recovery
01:00:37 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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