Is There a Level of Mindfulness in Speaking the Darmin?

When we are engaged intellectually, even something as simple as reading a book, or doing any kind of creative work that involves the intellect and involves thinking ino ar concepts. We can't merely apply the same kind of mindfulness as we would, for example, in meditation. But there is one exception, which i've found, to mindfulness within kind of that conceptual, intellectual realm. For if it's like abu talking to you, i can very clearly be mindful, both while talking and while listening. And i can cut through what i'm calling, or have called, the illusion of the self in the midst of that. In some ways, because social circumstances are usually so self reof