Do You Think Conflict Is the Only Thing That Has to Sell?

Sally Kohn: I just keep thinking that the news media itself is so curated, it's a curated form of social sharing. And there has to be a way where what you talk about at the beginning, which is all can be elevated and that there's a business model to make that work for people," she says. "I like your approach. You try to get rid of the incendiary language, the embellishments and the adjectives" 'We are taking an autocrat with 10,000 or 20,000 nuclear weapons and we are saying no, and we are staring him down and we are winning,' he adds.

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