Expanding the Shadow Beyond Jung

On the 146th episode of What is a Good Life?, I’m delighted to welcome Steven D’Souza. Steven is an award winning author, executive educator, trusted advisor, leadership coach and keynote speaker. He is a Senior Partner in the Leadership & Professional Development Practice at Korn Ferry, a leading global Organisational Consulting firm. His expertise crosses the fields of psychology, organisational development, diversity, group dynamics, contemplation and social capital. He has spoken globally to organisations such as PwC, TikTok, Financial Times and the United Nations. His work has been featured in Harvard Business Review, The Independent and The Sunday Times.

In this conversation, Steven reflects on his early pursuit of the priesthood and his lifelong inquiry into meaning, service, and aliveness. Drawing on themes from his latest book, Shadows at Work, he shares how meeting the shadow with curiosity and compassion brings wholeness, and how embracing uncertainty, silence, and kindness can lead to a more grounded, vital way of living.

This conversation invites you to see the shadow not as something to fix, but as a hidden source of energy, wisdom, and aliveness.

For more of Steven's work:

• Shadows at Work: Harness Your Dark Side and Unlock Your Leadership Potential
• Not Knowing: The Art of Turning Uncertainty into Opportunity
• Not Doing: The Art of Effortless Action
• Not Being: The Art of Self Transformation

Website: https://stevendsouza.com/

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00:00 — Steven’s lifelong question + year pursuing priesthood

04:24 — Leaving the path & formative books (Kopp, de Mello)

07:27 — Stories as truth; practice over tips

10:12 — Aliveness; “I grow in my spirituality by growing in my humanity”

13:01 — Bringing the vertical into the horizontal (everyday life)

13:28 — Why Shadows at Work; prisons, corporate paradox, “dark mode”

19:36 — “Know my shadow and my light”: beyond Jung; four lenses

23:08 — Defining shadow; biology, culture, spirit lenses in practice

31:02 — Personal shadow work

37:04 — Paradoxical theory of change; acceptance over improvement

40:43 — Negative capability (Keats)

46:53 — Via negativa & subtraction; “bring silence with you”

52:29 — The edge of the unknown; reactions & catastrophic thinking

58:56 — What is a good life? “A kind life.”