Intro

This episode contains description of addiction, eating disorders and discussion of suicide.

Our guest today is the pioneering comedian, actor and activist Margaret Cho. She began performing comedy as a teenager, opening for Jerry Seinfeld at just 14, before becoming one of the most influential stand-ups of her generation.

Now in her 50s, Margaret reflects in this episode on the cancellation of her groundbreaking sitcom, All-American Girl, and the surreal "miscalculations" of a network that hired consultants to ensure she was "doing Asian right". She speaks candidly about the "mind f***" of being told she was "too fat to play herself", which triggered a dangerous spiral into disordered eating, 90s diet drugs and eventual kidney failure.

She opens up about a suicidal near-death experience that she was initially too afraid to admit even to herself - and about the intervention by friends that finally led her to sobriety.

This conversation explores shame, rage and the life-saving importance of humour. Because, as Margaret says, sometimes laughter can be the thing that keeps you breathing.

✨ IN THIS EPISODE:

00:00 Introduction

04:37 Childhood Reflections

06:59 Political and Social Commentary

10:43 The Sitcom Experience

18:35 Body Image and Health Struggles

26:13 Legacy and Influence

26:54 The Struggle with Diet Culture

28:34 Embarrassing Moments on Stage

32:10 Family Influence on Weight Issues

33:22 Seeking Help and Therapy

34:05 Childhood Abuse and Its Impact

37:27 Battling Drug and Alcohol Addiction

43:09 Intervention and Recovery

46:51 Finding Hope and Happiness

💬 QUOTES TO REMEMBER:

You carry the otherness with you as a kind of residual suffering that's still there.

Shame is such an electric emotion. It really ignites your history and gets to the core of who you are. I think that's vital as an artist and also it improves your art if you can somehow rise above it.

Humour is really hope. Humour and laughter is the intake of breath, which is the preservation of the body for the next moment.

The more deep work that you do, the more pain you've endured, the more you can share with the world.

🔗 LINKS + MENTIONS:

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Margaret Cho’s Choligarchy Comedy Tour

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