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Loren buckman is the president of art center college of design in pasadina, california. He hosts the podcast change lab, conversations on transformation and creativity. Our topic for to day is your book, make to know, which is about creativity and art. But we're going to get into other topics as well, including leadership and how to live with the uncertainty of life.

When we see Michaelangelo's David or the design of the Apple Store, we assume a genius with a predetermined vision was the key to the outcome. Yet as Lorne Buchman, author of Make to Know, tells EconTalk's Russ Roberts, great art is more about embracing the process of exploration and the results that emerge in the process of creating. Buchman makes the case for embracing uncertainty in both leadership and life.