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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Matthew Hedger is a former "NOC" Spy for CIA. His program was Top-Secret and completely off-books. By the end of his run, he had successfully infiltrated the Mexican Cartels as one of their chief money launderers. Shawnee Delaney is an Ex-DIA clandestine ops officer, expert on cybersecurity, insider threat program development, surveillance, & investigation. She took part in the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.
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GUEST LINKS
- MATT LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-hedger-692a30324/
- SHAWNEE Website: https://www.vaillancegroup.com
- SHAWNEE LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/spyex/
****TIMESTAMPS****
0:00 - CIA Noc Spy, Matt leaked on Dark Web, USAID
15:50 - "Going Black", Money Laundering for CIA inside Cartels, CIA Disguises
24:35 - Matt & Shawnee on how to play deep cover role 24/7
33:35 - How CIA "uses" young officers
38:21 - CIA-Mossad Joint Operation
43:34 - How Matt initially connected with Mexican Cartels
50:25 - Old School Spy Comms
53:15 - Foreign Intel Data Breaches
57:53 - CIA operations in America, Data Privacy, Corporate Data Security
1:08:15 - CIA & DARPA Tech
1:13:45 - Shawnee breaks down AI Threats
1:30:55 - Matt pulls a fast one story, "Politeness & Familiarity" Theory
1:41:02 - Paranoia in Spying
1:42:15 - Matt infiltrates Cartel
1:49:38 - Types of targets Matt wanted
1:53:05 - How Matt psychology moves targets
1:55:20 - Using Banks to launder money
2:00:29 - Fent Problems
2:04:25 - Steering undercover criminal work into CIA work
2:08:39 - Matt turns a Top-10 Bank C-Suite Exec Story
2:25:31 - Matt becomes cartels' "guy"
2:33:25 - Matt's day-to-day cover while working cartels, Addiction to Danger
2:40:05 - Matt's bar-killing story
2:44:05 - The Cartel torture scene Matt witnessed
2:46:25 - Meetings w/ senior cartel leaders
2:49:30 - The Moral repercussions of Matt's spy work
2:54:25 - CIA & The Murder of Kiki Camarena
2:57:15 - Cartels designated terrorist groups
3:01:32 - The strange capture of Cartel Leader "El Mayo"
3:05:38 - Matt remembers undercover situations where he was terrified
3:08:32 - Matt gives more details on how foreign intel doxxed him on Dark Web
3:12:45 - Matt "left" CIA
3:17:27 - Matt & Shawnee love the comments
CREDITS:
- Host & Producer: Julian Dorey
- Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@UCyLKzv5fKxGmVQg3cMJJzyQ
Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 290 - Matthew Hedger & Shawnee Delaney
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