And you're kind of listening for what you don't know, which means you cannot access memory. Because memory is what you know. Right. And so when you're listening to see something new, to hear something, to feel something, to move beyond your state of consciousness that you've been living in, the only way you can do that is to listen and be open. You know, there's kind of like, like, for me, the same thing happened. You know, I was a therapist and this guy was a white male psychologist, and at the time I thought had nothing to share with me. But I discovered he was single as he was talking. So I was thinking about going to dinner with him and I thought to myself, oh, I better listen because if I'm going to go to dinner with him, I want to be able to speak, you know, intelligently about what he's saying. And to me, that was like me knowing I really wasn't listening to him. I was sitting there arguing in my head. I was thinking about what I knew. I was trying to figure it out and find whatever problems there were with what he was saying. And then when I started to listen with a purpose in mind, I always think that the bait was set by life for me to have to listen to a single male at that time. But I started to hear some. I started to like, the first thing was like, oh, positive. I could not, that was shocking for me to even think about being positive. But positive was good. And then I thought, okay, I got to really listen because I don't really get what he's saying. And I talked to somebody who said, oh, yeah, I think this is good. And I was like, okay, so I got to really listen because I don't get what he's saying. And then all of a sudden I had, I saw from within myself what he was pointing to. That's the only way you're going to see this is if you see from within yourself. Because when you're trying to figure it out, the intellect is very conniving. It's very, you know, it's seductive. And it's very easy for us to try to figure it out. So if you're feeling like you've been listening to our podcast, you've been reading since books, you've been listening to Sid Banks and you still don't feel like you've got it. Like you've really had that shift. Go back to listening and listen within yourself because there's a part of you that's onto it. But then your sidekick, your little intellect comes in and goes, oh, let me help you. Let's figure this out. And you start to try to think about it. And happiness cannot, does not come from your thinking. I don't care how positive your thinking is. Excitement maybe, but not happiness, not true happiness. And so when you listen, you allow yourself to let go of the known and start to feel and see something beyond anything you've thought before. When you're trying to use your intellect for that, you can't see beyond that. That's all you have. So you will put it into some kind of a format. Well, the thing is that you've got to see that you don't want to be doing all that thinking. You're fine. You know that we get our security gets attached to that, but we're just trained to think about it. You know, like my mother said, you sit there and think about it. And I was like, I don't know why I did that. You know, but it's that kind of cultural conditioning that being intellectual is really a good thing. And it's not a bad thing. I mean, it's wonderful, the intellect and how we can use it and create things and do different things with it. But there is something beyond that. And that's what comes to you from within. And then you get different eyeballs. So when you're looking at life, you see it differently. So like in your story, you just all of a sudden saw this guy in a different way and you knew exactly what to do. It's such a great story because that's really how we change. We change by getting insight. So we see from within. But if you're struggling, you know, if people say, well, I've been trying this and trying that. I'm trying to work from the principles. No, no, no, no, no, no, start over, start all the way over. Go back and listen to a Sydney bank state and don't care if you don't understand it. Don't care if you don't that you don't get what he's talking about. And if you do think you do, start over again. Yeah. Because whatever you think, that's not it. Because when you know it comes with this feeling and you don't have to keep searching, you're not trying anymore. You know to listen because better thoughts come to you than you can dream up.

Well, that's so true. And I think that one of the one of the, you know, Sid said the same thing over and over again. And he, you know, he used to say, I don't know why I keep saying this because I keep telling you the same thing. And I think for a lot of people, that was very frustrating. Like, you know, tell us more, tell us more, go into more detail. And he didn't. I mean, sometimes he told stories, but basically he talked about mind, thought and consciousness. And he would say, I'm going to tell you again. I've always told you. But he, as he got into it and started telling stories and illustrations from, you know, life, people would just kind of get mesmerized. You know, as the best I can say it and not in a bad way, not like he was hallucinating, you know, people were hallucinating or anything. It was just that they were so taken with the feeling that developed in the room. And it wasn't just Sid's feeling. Yes, he was putting out a beautiful feeling. And certainty was a big part of it to me. That he was so sure that he was speaking the truth and that he had seen something and he had no idea why he saw it. Why he would be the one to see it. How he lucked out. But, you know, once he saw it, it was, that was it. It's like I realized everything after that for me, every time I really cleared my head, go back to the drawing board and ask me to see what I did. I was on the drawing board and asked myself, okay, you know, I don't need to keep studying this and going over and over it. Something would occur to me. And I would know it was the right thing, just like Sid knew when he had his enlightenment experience, which is much bigger than the idea I've ever had. You know, but when he saw that, he just knew, oh my gosh, that's the truth. And that's the feeling, that's part of the feeling that you want to live your life from, is this feeling that you, that you're guided by an intelligence that's within you, it's available to you, but it isn't your intellect. And I think that trying to listen to other people and not listen to the words is just really hard for all of us because we're just trained so much to not do that.

And people just can't accept that they already know it. No, it's like built into us to work like this and to understand it. And people will do it kind of after the fact frequently, where they'll say, oh, I knew I shouldn't have done that, or I knew I should have, but that I know stuff is what we've kind of lost sight of because we're big on, I think I know. And so whatever you think you know is just what you think. And if it doesn't give you that feeling, you know, like one of our new intern came to our psychology as a backwards to the program this week and he's coming as part of his three principles bootcamp before he starts to see clients. And he was great. He was great because he was he's reading since books and he came in and he goes, Oh my God, he said, the feeling I got in, I never got that from any of my other spiritual teachings. I never got that from this, that and the other thing because he's been kind of searching out there in the world. And it's like, and when he got that feeling, you could see how he's starting to let go of his intellect. But that is the most beautiful thing because people who are very intellectual or rely on their intellect frequently struggle with this because they're trying to figure it out first and then live in a better feeling. That's not going to happen. Yeah. It may happen by default, you know, like you may get into a better feeling for a short period of time. But if you don't see how thought works in you, you don't see that. It's just thought. If you don't see that your thinking is really a spiritual gift that you have and not God speaking to you. Yeah. You know, you will struggle because you cannot figure this out. So if you're struggling, I can pretty much guarantee that's what you're doing. But if you're not, if you can go back and start over again, like whatever what you're bred, what you think you know, all of that. Just let it go and see if you can just come back and listen in a way that you've never heard this before. Yeah.

Then you guys. Thinking Chris, I just went to the symphony this afternoon and I love symphony music and I've always loved symphony music. I always love music. But they, the assistant conductor does a little talk before each concert for people that might not be familiar with what's going to be played. And you know, it's optional, but a lot of people go and if you get there early, you can sit in on it. You just walk in. So I always get there early because I, I like, I like this guy. He's really quite good. And today he was talking about the fact that the, it was very emotional, both pieces that were going to be played today, that they're very, very deep and very hard-filled. And he said, you know, I don't want to get too much into the musicality about it. He said, I really don't want to spoil it for you. Because he said, you will just feel it and you'll know exactly what you're feeling. And he said, if you just listen to the music, let it soak, let it soak through you, I think is the words that you used. And don't, you know, read the program notes and start thinking, oh, is this the part where they're doing such and such and so on. So, you know, just relax and let it flow through you. And there were people in the audience that started talking to each other like, what the hell does he need? But there were a lot of people that were quite riveted to what he was saying. And it was the conductor, our usual conductor, which who is there today often, we have guest conductors because he travels around the world. He's one of the great conductors in the world. And, but he was there today and he is amazing. And I was watching him conduct and I realized, because the way I sit, I can see his face, that his facial expressions are just as important as his arm movements. I'm watching his face and it's like he's feeling this music and it's showing up in his expressions and it is, you know, everything, it just blows up there. And it was beautiful. It was just beautiful. But that's what we're talking about. And it's kind of like, take these things in as though you were listening to music and let your own hearts speak to you. You know, let your own soul speak to you. Let your own wisdom speak to you. Let it come through you, not at you.