Is There Too Much Chaos and Needs More Chaos?

There is far too much order built into the sort of programmatic, tribal sets of beliefs that the dissidents have adopted in their critique of this whole system. And there is not enough chaos in their reception of what those people's moral interests and kind of levels of accessibility might be. The agricultural system has divorced our entire society from food production di source,. Our entire society from even like engagement or interaction with land in a meaningful sense. We are going to have to be comfortable with blowing up that industrial food system. But the more we acknowledge that it's not going to work out whether we like it or not, the better able we will be to get toward somewhere good with that stuff.