The End of Power and Revenge of Power

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I find it really interesting to think about the two phenomena you've described over the last decade in conversation with each other. So we have the end of power. We have a weakening of power. And that then pushes a bunch of people to say, how can we fortify the power we already have? How can we win power? How could we use it more effectively? You have all the things we've been talking about for the last half an hour or so with a revenge of power. At the moment, i think we're in a equilibrium than we have a lot of reason to be worried about. But some form of balance often comes back. It's very likely that the pendulum

Moisés Naím is a Distinguished Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a member of the Persuasion board of advisors. He has served as Minister of Trade and Industry for Venezuela, Executive Director of the World Bank, and editor-in-chief of Foreign Policy magazine. His latest book is The Revenge of Power.

In this week’s conversation, Moisés Naím and Yascha Mounk discuss how authoritarian powers have banded together to respond to the challenges of technology and decentralization, the proliferation of the “Three P’s” (polarization, populism, and post-truth), and the challenges facing democracies in the 21st century.

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