The Good Fight

Moisés Naím on The Revenge of Power

Feb 19, 2022

Moisés Naím, a Distinguished Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment and former Foreign Policy editor, dives deep into modern governance challenges. He discusses the rise of authoritarianism and the collaboration among regimes in response to technology's disruptive power. Naím explores the dynamics of populism and polarization, revealing how leaders manipulate truth to centralize power. Using Hugo Chavez and Donald Trump as case studies, he highlights the enduring dangers these tactics pose to democracy in the 21st century.

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Episode notes

Intro

3min

Returning to Normalcy Post-COVID

7min

The Dynamics of Power: Reacting to Change

2min

Power Shifts and Polarization in Populism

4min

The Interplay of Power: Populism, Polarization, and Post-Truth

4min

Populism and Authoritarianism: Lessons from Chavez

14min

Power Dynamics and the Future of Governance

16min

Moisés Naím is a Distinguished Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a member of the Persuasion board of advisors. He has served as Minister of Trade and Industry for Venezuela, Executive Director of the World Bank, and editor-in-chief of Foreign Policy magazine. His latest book is The Revenge of Power.

In this week’s conversation, Moisés Naím and Yascha Mounk discuss how authoritarian powers have banded together to respond to the challenges of technology and decentralization, the proliferation of the “Three P’s” (polarization, populism, and post-truth), and the challenges facing democracies in the 21st century.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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