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In this episode, Rich Villodas, Glenn Packiam, and Sharon Hodde Miller join Barna CEO David Kinnaman to unpack new research on pastoral relationships. The conversation explores the tension between strong marriages and relational loneliness, and why friendship, spiritual direction, and community are essential for long-term pastoral resilience.

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