Julian Zelizer: Are we both sounding so naive and hopeful here? I mean, if I think if I think of an example, answer to my own question, I'd perhaps suggest the COVID pandemic. But that's not necessarily the view widely held in both of them. And there are examples of the most, the most one of the worst examples I think was climate change where for a long time, it just seemed that climate change was an issue of the left for some reason. The right did not see it as an issue. It became associated with kind of like sandal wearing left-wing kind of hippies and the right kind of ignored it. Similarly, other other

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