Cara: How do you separate the visionary part from what's happening, which is clearly problematic? Mark: I think that there are parts of what he is doing, where I just, I think the tweet you got upset was said, don't underestimate it. Cara: Elon Musk thinks he's going to drill a tunnel on Mars and drive a Tesla through it; we're going to wake up with our own consciousness in the car. "I'm able to separate the wheat from the chaff more than you can," she says.

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