There's plenty of studies looking at an unhealthy plant-based diet index and you see they don't do so well when you compare them to the healthy plant-based index. It all depends on how you, what you compare. And that's why a lot of the studies on meat don't show deleterious effect because in these people who are advocating diets high in meat or using those studies that if people are comparing red meat to white meat. The difference in lifespan is almost as marginal.

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