When you walk in, I mean, so a lot of it is observation. Like how do you like, what are the questions that you start asking to get people going? That barely happens to me because I design, I spend a lot of time with thinking about the people who are going to be in the meeting. So even though we're doing, it's random, we never have true random, right? "I'm sure I've not only a mix of 10 years and levels and roles, but also personality types," he says.

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